16.3.14

Nottingham


Notts County are the oldest football team in the world to currently play at a professional level, although their foundation pre dates Association and they played a hybrid form of the game in their earliest days. In 1864, the decision was made to play games against outside opposition.
The following year Forest was founded by bandy players (bandy being a stick and ball game). James Catton, who spent some time living in Nottingham, states that initially County were considered more of an upper crust outfit, with Forest being more associated with the city people, workers and small businessmen. 
Here's a timeline of the early years:


Notts. County
Nottingham Forest
1862
Formed on 28 November, playing at Park Hollow (Nottingham Castle).



1864
December- decide to play against outside opposition.





1865
Foundation

1866
22 March: First meeting of the 2 clubs- Forest’s first game. 11 of County drew 0-0 with 17 of Forest at Forest Recreation Ground;
19 April: rematch also finishes 0-0

1869
Join FA



1872
Ernest Greenhalgh plays for England v Scotland in international #1



1877
03.11.77- first FA cup tie



1878
County are knocked out of the FA Cup by Forest (see below for details of this, the first competitive match between the two)

1878-79
Join FA
Enter the FA cup for the first time and reach the semi-final.
1883
Move to Trent Bridge Cricket ground



1888
Founder members of Football League





1889
Founding members of Alliance



1891
Move to Town Ground



1892
Join Football League

1894
FA Cup Winners





1898
FA Cup Winners
Move to City Ground

1910
Move to Meadow Lane




The 1878 FA Cup match:

 Supplement to the Nottinghamshire Guardian 22.11.78

 If the reporter got the formations right it looks like Notts (County) were playing a good old fashioned 1-3-6, whereas Forest must surely have been the first team in the history of the game to line up in a 4-2-4!


Notts (County)
Goal
H. Greenhalgh
Backs
Dobson*
Halves

E.H Greenhalgh(c)*
               Seals
Morse*

Forwards
A.W Cursham*
R. Greenhalgh
C. Cursham
Owen*
H.Cursham*
Oliver














Forwards

Earp
Turner
Goodyer*
Smith

Halves

Holroyd


Bates

Backs

Widdowson (c)*
E. Luntley*
W. Luntley
Caborn

Goal
Sands*

Forest
* England internationals

Here's a look at how the 2 clubs progressed and how the bragging rights in the city changed hands down the years:


Notts. County
Nottingham Forest

season
League
FA Cup
League
FA Cup

1877-78

R1


1878-79

R1

SF
1879-80

R1

SF
1880-81

R3

R2
1881-82

R3

R1
1882-83

SF

R3
1883-84

SF

R2
1884-85

QF

SF
1885-86

R5

R3
1886-87

QF

R3
1887-88

R3

R5
1888-89
11th
R2

R2
1889-90
10th
QF

R1
1890-91
3rd
finalists

R3
1891-92
8th
R1

SF
1892-93
14th
R2
10th
R2

1893-94
Div 2. 3rd
winners
Div 1. 7th
R3


1894-95
Div 2. 2nd
R1
Div 1. 7th
R3

1895-96
Div 2. 10th
R1
Div 1. 13th
R1
1896-97
Div 2. winners
R2
Div 1. 11th
R3
1897-98
Div 1. 13th
R1
Div 1. 8th
winners
1898-99
Div 1. 5th
R2
Div 1.11th
R3


1899-00
Div 1. 15th
R2
Div 1. 8th
SF

1900-01
Div 1. 3rd
R2
Div 1. 4th
R2


1901-02
Div 1. 13th
R1
Div 1. 5th
SF

1902-03
Div 1. 15th
R3
Div 1.10th
R2
1903-04
Div 1. 13th
R1
Div 1. 9th
R2
1904-05
Div 1. 18th
R1
Div 1.16th
R2
1905-06
Div 1.16th
R1
Div 1. 19th(r)
R3


1906-07
Div 1. 18th
R4
Div 2. winners
R1


1907-08
Div 1. 18th
R2
Div 1. 9th
R1

1908-09
Div 1. 15th
R1
Div 1. 14th
R4
1909-10
Div 1. 9th
R1
Div 1. 14th
R3


1910-11
Div 1. 11th
R1
Div 1. 20th (r)
R1


1911-12
Div 1.16th
R2
Div 2. 15th
R1


1912-13
Div 1. 19th(r)
R1
Div 2. 17th
R2


1913-14
Div 2. winners
R1
Div 2. 20th
R1


1914-15
Div 1.16th
R1
Div 2. 18th
R1









1919-20
Div 1. 21st(r)
R3
Div 2. 18th
R1


1920-21
Div 2. 6th
R2
Div 2. 18th
R1


1921-22
Div 2. 13th
SF
Div 2. winners
R3

1922-23
Div 2. winners
R1
Div 1. 20th
R1
1923-24
Div 1.10th
R2
Div 1. 20th
R1


1924-25
Div 1. 9th
R3
Div 1. 22nd(r)
R2


1925-26
Div 1. 22nd(r)
R5
Div 2. 17th
QF


1926-27
Div 2.16th
R3
Div 2. 5th
R4

1927-28
Div 2. 15th
R3
Div 2.10th
QF
1928-29
Div 2. 5th
R3
Div 2.11th
R3


1929-30
Div 2. 22nd(r)
R3
Div 2.10th
QF

1930-31
Div 3s winners
R4
Div 2. 17th
R3
1931-32
Div 2.16th
R3
Div 2.11th
R3
1932-33
Div 2. 15th
R3
Div 2. 5th
R3
1933-34
Div 2. 18th
R3
Div 2. 17th
R4
1934-35
Div 2. 22nd(r)
R3
Div 2. 9th
R5
1935-36
Div 3s. 9th
R3
Div 2. 19th
R4
1936-37
Div 3s. 2nd
R1
Div 2. 18th
R3

Forest in the 1880s

County with the FA Cup -1894

And here's a head to head record of League and FA Cup matches:

Date
Home
Visitors


16.11.78
County
1
3
Forest
FAC

08.11.79
Forest
4
0
County
FAC

01.12.83
County
3
0
Forest
FAC


26.11.87
Forest
2
1
County
FAC

08.10.92
County
3
0
Forest
Div.1


25.02.93
Forest
3
1
County
Div.1

24.02.94
Forest
1
1
County
FAC

03.03.94
County
4
1
Forest
FAC


04.09.97
Forest
1
1
County
Div.1

09.10.97
County
1
3
Forest
Div.1

08.10.98
County
2
2
Forest
Div.1

04.02.99
Forest
0
0
County
Div.1

11.11.99
County
1
2
Forest
Div.1

17.03.00
Forest
0
3
County
Div.1


24.11.00
Forest
5
0
County
Div.1

26.12.00
County
1
0
Forest
Div.1


16.11.01
County
3
0
Forest
Div.1


26.12.01
Forest
1
0
County
Div.1

15.11.02
Forest
0
0
County
Div.1

26.12.02
County
1
1
Forest
Div.1

28.11.03
County
1
3
Forest
Div.1

25.12.03
Forest
0
1
County
Div.1


26.11.04
Forest
2
1
County
Div.1

25.03.05
County
1
2
Forest
Div.1

04.11.05
County
1
1
Forest
Div.1

25.12.05
Forest
1
2
County
Div.1


07.12.07
Forest
2
0
County
Div.1

04.04.08
County
2
0
Forest
Div.1


21.11.08
County
3
0
Forest
Div.1


27.03.09
Forest
1
0
County
Div.1

04.09.09
Forest
2
1
County
Div.1

08.01.10
County
4
1
Forest
Div.1


03.09.10
County
1
1
Forest
Div.1

31.12.10
Forest
0
2
County
Div.1


25.12.13
County
2
2
Forest
Div.2

26.12.13
Forest
1
0
County
Div.2

11.09.20
Forest
1
0
County
Div.2

18.09.20
County
2
0
Forest
Div.2


05.11.21
County
1
1
Forest
Div.2

14.11.21
Forest
0
0
County
Div.2

22.09.23
County
2
1
Forest
Div.1


29.09.23
Forest
1
0
County
Div.1

20.09.24
County
0
0
Forest
Div.1

24.01.25
Forest
0
0
County
Div.1

18.09.26
County
1
2
Forest
Div.2

05.02.27
Forest
2
0
County
Div.2

17.09.27
Forest
2
1
County
Div.2

22.02.28
County
1
2
Forest
Div.2

20.10.28
County
1
1
Forest
Div.2

02.03.29
Forest
1
2
County
Div.2


07.09.29
Forest
1
1
County
Div.2

04.01.30
County
0
0
Forest
Div.2

03.10.31
Forest
2
1
County
Div.2

13.02.32
County
2
6
Forest
Div.2

08.10.32
County
2
4
Forest
Div.2

18.02.33
Forest
3
0
County
Div.2

07.10.33
Forest
2
0
County
Div.2

17.02.34
County
1
0
Forest
Div.2


29.09.34
County
3
5
Forest
Div.2

09.02.35
Forest
2
3
County
Div.2










W
G
County
17
73
Forest
27
87
Draws
16