Showing posts with label (Lord) Arthur Kinnaird. Show all posts
Showing posts with label (Lord) Arthur Kinnaird. Show all posts

3.11.18

Morning Advertiser 18.01.1869

The County Ground at Islington (also known as The Cattle Market Ground) was no longer in use for cricket in 1869. 
Some familiar names in the line ups.



5.12.17

FA Cup Final, 1889


Here is a programme for the 1889 FA Cup Final between Wolverhampton Wanderers and Preston North End's Invincibles (the Cup version, with Mills- Roberts in the place of Trainer).
Major Marindin would undoubtedly have been rooting for Wolves' English XI (including 7 internationals).  Wolves had finished 3rd in the League,  conceding 9 goals across the 2 meetings with Preston.
DewhurstRoss and Thomson were the scorers as Preston won 3-0 to secure the Double. 


11.3.17

London FA Senior Cup

The London FA was established in 1882, effectively as a branch of the actual Football Association with the purpose of overseeing club football in the metropolitan area. This was to enable the FA to focus on administering the Laws of the Game, the FA Cup  and international football. Any clubs within 12 miles of Charing Cross fall under the jurisdiction of the London  Association.
The following clubs were members in the inaugural season:

Acton
Hermits
Olympic
Vulcans
Alexandra
Hotspur
Olympic Rangers
West End
Alpine Rovers
Kildare
Park
Westminster Club
Argus
Lennox
Pilgrims
Woodford Bridge
Clapham Rovers
Lyonstown
Prairie Rangers

Clapton
Melrose
Rangers
City Ramblers
Minerva
St Alban’s
Dreadnought
Morton Rangers
St Bartholomew’s Hospital
Excelsior
Mosquitoes
St Bride’s
Finchley
Oakshott
St Peter’s
Grove House
Old Brightonians
Somerset
Hanover
Old Etonians
Union
Hatton Rovers
Old Westminsters
Upton Park
Hendon
Olympian
Upton Rangers





The first President was A.F Kinnaird, Vice presidents were C.W Alcock and R.A Ogilvie. Hon. sec. was N. L Jackson (founder of Corinthian F.C, who eschewed 'competitive' football). London followed the example of provincial associations and instituted a cup competition for member clubs.
Southern Football was essentially amateur up until the 1890s (Royal Arsenal and Brentford  are the only teams featured here to play League football until Wimbledon and Barnet graduated to the League in the 1970s and 1990s).
The early years of the competition were dominated by venerable amateur clubs that regularly saw players capped by  England.
Old Carthusians had won the FA Cup in 1880-81 and were semi-finalists in the following 2 seasons.  Their wins in  1894 and 1897 were 'doubles' in which they also won the FA Amateur Cup.




                                                                         Clapton 1889

1882-83 
Upton Park
4
0
Old Foresters
1883-84
Upton Park
4
1
Old Foresters
1884-85
Old Foresters
2
1
Upton Park
1885-86
Ashburnham Rovers
2
1
Hotspur
1886-87
Old Westminsters
1
1
Casuals
Shared
1887-88
Old Westminsters
1
0
Casuals
1888-89
Clapton
4
2
Casuals
1889-90
Old Westminsters
1
0
Royal Arsenal
1890-91
Royal Arsenal
6
0
St Bartholomew’s Hospital
1891-92
Old Westminsters
2
1
Ilford
1892-93
Old Westminsters
3
0
Casuals
1893-94
Old Foresters
2
1
Old Carthusians
1894-95
Old Carthusians
6
0
Casuals
1895-96
Old Carthusians
3
1
Casuals
1896-97
Old Carthusians
5
2
3rd Grenadier Guards
1897-98
Brentford
5
1
Ilford
1898-99
Old Carthusians
2
1
London Caledonians
  99-00
London Caledonians
1
0
Old Westminsters
1900-01
Ilford
2
1
Clapton
1901-02
Civil Service
3
2
Shepherds Bush
1902-03
Old Malvernians
4
2
Clapton
1903-04
Leyton
1
0
Ilford
1904-05
Ilford
2
1
Ealing
1905-06
New Crusaders
2
2
Dulwich Hamlet


3
1

1906-07
West Norwood
4
1
West Hampstead
1907-08
London Caledonians
1
0
Dulwich Hamlet
1908-09
Clapton
1
0
Nunhead
1909-10
Bromley
1
0
Clapton
1910-11
Clapton
2
0
Ilford
1911-12
Barking
3
0
London Caledonians
1912-13
Tufnell Park
2
0
Metrogas
1913-14
Ilford
1
1
Nunhead


2
0

1914-15
London Caledonians
4
1
Clapton





1919-20
Leytonstone
5
2
Barking Town
1920-21
Barking Town
4
1
Dulwich Hamlet
1921-22
Ilford
3
1
Nunhead
1922-23
Nunhead
1
0
Bromley
1923-24
Tufnell Park
2
1
Kingstonian
1924-25
Dulwich Hamlet
2
0
Clapton
1925-26
London Caledonians
3
1
Kingstonian
1926-27
Barking Town
4
2
London Caledonians
1927-28
London Caledonians
2
0
Dulwich Hamlet
1928-29
Ilford
4
1
London Caledonians
1929-30
Ilford
4
1
Walthamstow Avenue
1930-31
Wimbledon
1
0
Kingstonian
1931-32
Hayes
3
1
Ilford
1932-33
Finchley
2
0
Barnet
1933-34
Wimbledon
1
1
Leyton


2
1

1934-35
Enfield
2
0
Metropolitan Police
1935-36
Walthamstow Avenue
1
0
Golders Green
1936-37
Walthamstow Avenue
6
3
Hayes


8.12.16

Kinnaird's own goal

The Hon. Arthur Fitzgerald Kinnaird (Lord Kinnaird from 1887) has a distinguished FA Cup record.
He appeared in 9 finals (he played for Wanderers and Old Etonians), was on the winning side 3 times, playing as a forward, halfback,  back and goalkeeper. He scored twice in Finals.
He also has the distinction of being the first player to score an own goal in a final.
The incident occurred in the 15th minute or thereabouts of the  Wanderers versus Oxford University Cup Final of 1877.
Some contemporary accounts ( I've read the ones in the London Evening Standard, and Sheffield Independent)  credit the goal to Waddington.

There is plenty of evidence for the own goal:
...a long kick by Waddington drove the ball sharply into the centre of the posts and Kinnaird inadvertently stepped back between the posts with the ball in his hands. An immediate appeal was made to the umpires and after some consultation the verdict was given in favour of Oxford- a decision that seemed to be quite correct and fully confirmed by the spectators in the immediate vicinity of the wanderers goal.
Oxford University Herald 31.03.77

Waddington made a splendid kick clear from the centre of the ground, and Kinnaird misjudging it, to the amazement of the spectators, falling back into his goal, the umpires, after a lengthy consultation, properly awarding a goal to Oxford.
Nottinghamshire Guardian 30.03.77

An oft repeated addendum to this story is that Kinnaird later used his influence to have this goal expunged from the records until it was reinstated 'some 50 years after Kinnaird's death'. 
If that was the case football history books, annuals, newspaper reports etc from the first 70 odd years of the 20th century would show the score as being 2-0 in favour of Wanderers, 
Try as I might I have not been able to find any evidence of the score being recorded as 2-0. 



18.5.16

The World ...1871

In 1871, when the Wanderers were beginning to feel their omnipotence, they issued a challenge to the Rest of the World.
A number of the players from the 1867 matches were still involved.  The World remained a very metropolitan outfit- R Smith of Queen's Park was now London based and also played for South Norwood.

The match was played at The Oval  on 25.03.71. It ended in a 1-1  draw, with goals from Howard and Dixon .

Both teams lined up 1-1-8
The World: W.R Dent (Forest Club)
W.S Rawson (Westminster School)- capped twice by England 1875-77
R.H Birkett (Clapham Rovers)- represented England at Association and Rugby.

S.R Tatham (Hampstead Heathens)
R.S.F Walker (Clapham Rovers)
G Holden (Clapham Rovers)
H.B Dixon (Westminster School)
W.C Butler (Civil Service)
R Smith (Queen’s Park) - represented Scotland in the 1872 international
R Barker (Hertfordshire Rangers) - played for England in the 1872 international
C.J Morice (Crystal Palace)- England international.

Wanderers:
A.F Kinnaird
W.H Gladstone
Q Hogg
C.W Alcock
A.J Baker
W.P Crake
A.W.H Howard
C.E.B Nepean
Hon T.H Pelham
T.C Hooman
R.W.S Vidal