31.1.13

Soviet Union v Turkey 1924 - 1935



The Soviet Union (USSR) was not a member of  FIFA. This made it impossible for other FIFA members to play against The Soviet Union without facing sanctions. 
One nation that was willing to overlook the ban was Turkey.
In 1924 and 1925 the Soviet Union played Turkey in Moscow and Ankara. Turkey classify these two matches as being official full internationals, and the annals of Soviet football list the games, along with the 1923 game with Estonia as being their only official matches prior to 1952.


USSR 1924

16.11.24: USSR 3- 0 Turkey
Moscow,  V. Vorovskij Stadium (15000)


15.05.25: Turkey 1-2 USSR
Ankara, Shtiklyal Stadium (5000)



Turkey were then warned by FIFA not to engage in matches with non-FIFA nations. They continued to meet with the Soviets on a regular basis, employing  some subterfuge in order to avoid FIFA's ire.
Turkish records show the series of games that occurred between 1931 and 1935 as 'B' internationals, although Turkish football scholars note that the teams contained on average 8 or 9 players who had won full international caps.
In order to further thicken the smokescreen Turkey added the suffix 'Universities' or 'Peoples Houses' to the teams. 
By way of explanation 'Peoples Houses'' (Народный дом) were popular establishments in pre revolutionary Russia- similar to workingmen's institutes in the UK, they were centres of  culture, leisure and education. After the Revolution the term fell out of use, being replaced by 'House of Culture'. The idea was copied in Turkey, where a state sponsored project established Halkevleri (Peoples' Houses) from 1932 onwards.

The following matches were played from 1931-1935:

20.08.31: USSR 3- 2 Turkey Universities
Moscow,  Dinamo Stadium (50000)

21.10.32: Turkey Peoples’ Houses 2-2 USSR
Istanbul, Fenerbahche Stadium (12000)



USSR in Turkey October 1932
In October 1932 the Soviet national selection played 3 matches in Turkey:

23.10.32: Turkey Peoples’ Houses 0-4 USSR
Istanbul , Taksim Stadium (9000)

27.10.32: Turkey Peoples’ Houses 0-1 USSR
Ankara, Shtiklyal Stadium (8000)

30. 10.32: Turkey Peoples’ Houses 2-3 USSR
Ankara, Shtiklyal Stadium (10000)

1932 squad:
Alexander Babkin (KhPZ); Valentin Granatkin (Krasni Luch); Alexander Starostin (Ducatti); Konstantin  Fomin (Dinamo Kharkov);  Pavel Pchelikov (Krasni Proletari); Andrei Starostin (Ducatti); Fyodor Selin (Dinamo Moscow); Yevgeni Nikishin (CDKA Moscow); Ivan Privalov(Dinamo Moscow); Nikolai Starostin (Ducatti); Yevgeni  Eliseev (Baltvod Leningrad); Vasily Smirnov (Dinamo Moscow); Mikhail Butusov (Dinamo Leningrad); Vasily Pavlov (Dinamo Moscow); Valentin Prokofiev (Dinamo Kiev); Vladimir Stepanov (CSKA Moscow); Sergei  Ilin(Dinamo Moscow).

30.07.33: USSR 1-2 Turkey Peoples’ Houses
Moscow,  Dinamo Stadium  (50000)

07.08.34: USSR 2-1 Turkey Peoples’ Houses
Moscow,  Dinamo Stadium  (60000)


USSR in Turkey October 1935
The Soviet tourists played 6 games in Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir.

USSR 25.10.1935 

 13.10.35 Andrei Starotsin, Captain of the Soviet Union

13.10.35 Smirnov puts the Soviets 2-0 up from the penalty spot.

13.10.35: Turkey Peoples’ Houses 1-2  USSR
Istanbul, Fenerbahche Stadium (20000)


 15.10.35 Konstantin Fomin , Captain of the Soviet Union

15.10.35: Turkey Peoples’ Houses 2-2 USSR
Istanbul , Taksim Stadium (12000)

19.10.35: Turkey Peoples’ Houses 3-3 USSR
Ankara, Ankaragucu Stadium (30000)

21.10.35: Turkey Peoples’ Houses 2-3 USSR
Ankara, Ankaragucu Stadium (10000)

25.10.35: Turkey Peoples’ Houses 1-2 USSR
Izmir , Alsandzhak Stadium (10000)

27.10.35: Turkey Peoples’ Houses 3-3 USSR
Izmir , Alsandzhak Stadium (8000)


1935 squad:
Ivan Ryzhov (Spartak Moscow); Georgi Shorets  (Stalinets Leningrad); Viktor Teterin (Dinamo Moscow); Alexander  Starostin (Spartak Moscow); Lev Korchebokov (Dinamo Moscow); Konstantin  Fomin (Dinamo Kiev); Stanislav Leuta (Spartak Moscow); Alexander Remin (Dinamo Moscow); Boris Ivin (Stalinets Leningrad); Andrei  Starostin (Spartak Moscow); Valentin Fedorov (Dinamo Leningrad); Alexei Lapshin (Dinamo Moscow); Viktor Shilovsky (Dinamo Kiev); Mikhail Yakushin (Dinamo Moscow); Petr Dementiev (Dinamo Leningrad); Konstantin Schegodsky (Dinamo Kiev); Vasily Smirnov (Dinamo Moscow); Vasily Pavlov (Dinamo Moscow); Vladimir Kuskov  (Spartak Leningrad); Sergei Ilin (Dinamo Moscow).

Acknowledgements to Oxana Smirnova & www.RussiaTeam.ru

30.1.13

Fla–Flu


Fashionable spectators in 1916
In recognition of their intense rivalry yet common origins the sage and writer Nelson Rodrigues (a devoted Fluminense fan)  described the great Rio rivals as The Brothers Karamazov of Brazilian football. 
Fluminense was founded by Oscar Cox in 1902. 
Alberto Borgerth was the son of a high ranking lawyer who joined Fluminense as a 15 year old. He also enjoyed the other elite sporting pastime of Rio at the time, rowing. He did his rowing with Clube de Regatas do Flamengo (founded in 1885).
In 1911 a group of Fluminense players left their club following a dispute with the club directors. Dure to Borgerth's connections with Clube de Regatas do Flamengo the footballers approached this club and proposed that they be accommodated as a football section. The football section of Flamengo was officially created on December 24th 1911.
The catchy name for the derby, Fla -Flu, was coined by journalist Mario Filho ( a Flamengo fan, but Nelson Rodrigues' brother) in 1933.

Flamengo 1912, Borgerth seated far right.


Fluminense 1912

Date




Stadium


07.07.12
Fluminense 
3
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


27.10.12
Flamengo 
4
0
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


03.08.13
Flamengo 
6
3
Fluminense
G. Severiano


09.11.13
Fluminense
0
3
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


11.06.14
Fluminense 
0
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


26.07.14   
Fluminense
2
3
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


15.11.14 
Flamengo
2
1
Fluminense
G. Severiano


09.05.15
Fluminense
0
5
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


22.08.15
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense
G.Severiano


13.05.16
Flamengo
4
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


30.07.16
Flamengo
2
2
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


15.08.16
Fluminense
0
0
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


08.12.16
Fluminense
3
1
Flamengo
G. Severiano


27.05.17 
Fluminense
2
0
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


15.11.17
Flamengo
3
3
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


23.12.17    
Flamengo
2
2
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


23.06.18  
Flamengo
3
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


06.10.18 
Fluminense
2
Flamengo 
G.Severiano


24.08.19  
Flamengo
3
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


21.12.19 
Fluminense
0
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


23.05.20     
Flamengo
2
1
Fluminense
R.Paysandu


19.12.20   
Fluminense
2
2
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


29.05.21 
Fluminense
4
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


07.08.21  
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense 
R. Paysandu


13.05.22    
Flamengo
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


25.06.22   
Fluminense
1
Flamengo
G. Severiano


13.05.23 
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


14.07.23    
Fluminense
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


15.06.24    
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


20.09.24   
Fluminense
2
4
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


14.06.25   
Fluminense
3
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


08.11.25    
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense 
R. Paysandu


20.06.26    
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


19.09.26      
Fluminense
0
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


12.06.27   
Fluminense
0
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


21.08.27     
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


27.05.28    
Flamengo
1
4
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


23.09.28    
Fluminense
2
3
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


09.06.29    
Fluminense
1
0
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


06.10.29    
Flamengo
0
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


01.06.30     
Flamengo
0
1
Fluminense
R.Paysandu


01.08.30    
Fluminense
2
4
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


23.11.30    
Fluminense
2
0
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


27.09.31  
Fluminense
2
1
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


20.12.31   
Flamengo
1
0
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


03.07.32   
Flamengo
0
Fluminense
R.Paysandu


02.10.32   
Fluminense
1
1
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


01.06.33     
Fluminense
1
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


10.06.33    
Fluminense
1
3
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


17.09.33    
Fluminense
2
0
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


08.04.34    
Fluminense
1
3
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


10.06.34      
Flamengo
2
2
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


26.08.34  
Fluminense
2
0
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


23.09.34  
Fluminense
0
2
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


21.10.34     
Flamengo
2
1
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


10.02.35    
Flamengo
2
1
Fluminense
Campos Sales


23.06.35    
Flamengo
0
0
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


21.07.35   
Fluminense
2
2
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


01.09.35 
Flamengo
3
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


13.10.35   
Flamengo
2
Fluminense
Campos Sales


15.11.35  
Fluminense
2
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


21.05.36 
Fluminense
2
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


16.08.36    
Fluminense
2
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


13.09.36  
Fluminense
1
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


20.09.36   
Fluminense
1
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


11.10.36   
Flamengo
2
0
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


28.10.36  
Fluminense
2
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


22.11.36 
Fluminense
1
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


20.12.36  
Fluminense
2
2
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


23.12.36
Fluminense
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


27.12.36
Fluminense
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


27.06.37    
Fluminense
4
3
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


27.07.37    
Fluminense
4
1
Flamengo
Laranjeiras



73 matches:
Flamengo – W 25 goals 122
Fluminense W 23 goals 115
25 draws.

 Venues- 
Laranjeiras = Estádio Manoel Schwartz popularly known as Estádio das Laranjeiras- home of Fluminense since 1914.
R. Paysandu = Rua Paysandu home of Flamengo from 1915 to 1932.
G. Severiano = Estádio General Severiano- home of Botafogo.
Campos Sales Estádio da Rua Campos Sales -  home of America Football Club.

During this period the two sides also met four times in the Torneio Início do Rio de Janeiro. I have not included these games as they were not  played over 90 minutes.


Please remember- we only cover the period up to the northern hemisphere's summer of 1937.