30.4.13
St Mirren
Andy Mitchell's excellent blog on Scottish sporting history is well worth a visit.
I've taken the liberty to link to a 1924 history of St Mirren that he has digitalised. Here it is:
http://www.scottishsporthistory.com/uploads/3/3/6/0/3360867/st_mirren_history_1924.pdf
28.4.13
The Scout- Football Tips...
In later life Lord Baden-Powell advocated the positive aspects of playing football whilst also emphasizing his opinion that, as a spectator sport, it was both morally and physically corrupting:
Football is a grand game for developing a lad physically and also morally, for he learns to play with good temper and unselfishness, to play in his place, and to play the game, and these are the best of training for any game of life.but it is a vicious game when it draws crowds of lads away from playing the game themselves to be merely onlookers at a few paid players.
He also wrote of the unwholesome and hysterical natures of football crowds, painting a most unflattering picture of young British working class males.
By the 1920's, however, the Scout magazine, which carried Baden- Powell's endorsement on the cover, was offering its young readers football tips from some of the professional stars of the day.
The players mentioned on the cover of the issue shown above are:
Ted Hufton- goalkeeper for West Ham United.
Charlie Buchan- the legendary Sunderland and Arsenal inside forward.
Sam Chedgzoy- Everton winger.
Jackie Carr- Middlesbrough centre half.
27.4.13
North London Derby
Arsenal (in their previous guises as Royal Arsenal and Woolwich Arsenal) did not become a north London team until they moved to Highbury in 1913. Prior to this they were based in Plumstead.
The first meeting of the 2 clubs took place in November 1887. A friendly, played at Tottenham Marshes , it was abandoned after 75 minutes due to failing light.
19.11. 87
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Tottenham Hotspur
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2
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1
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Royal Arsenal
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Arsenal and Tottenham's development took differing courses. Arsenal joined the Football League in 1893 (the first southern club to do so), whilst Tottenham remained in the Southern League from 1896- 1908.
In the meantime the 2 clubs met each other in the United League, The Southern League and the London League:
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09.11. 96
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Woolwich Arsenal
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2
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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United Lge
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25.02. 97
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Tottenham Hotspur
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2
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2
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Woolwich Arsenal
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United Lge
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25.12. 97
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Woolwich Arsenal
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2
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3
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Tottenham Hotspur
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United Lge
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08.04.98
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Tottenham Hotspur
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0
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0
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Woolwich Arsenal
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United Lge
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11.03. 99
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Woolwich Arsenal
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2
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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United Lge
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29.04. 99
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Tottenham Hotspur
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3
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2
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Woolwich Arsenal
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United Lge
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17.04. 00
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Tottenham Hotspur
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3
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2
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Woolwich Arsenal
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Southern Lge
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24.04. 00
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Woolwich Arsenal
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2
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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Southern Lge *
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16.09. 01
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Woolwich Arsenal
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0
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2
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Tottenham Hotspur
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London Lge
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04.11. 01
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Tottenham Hotspur
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5
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0
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Woolwich Arsenal
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London Lge
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17.11. 02
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Woolwich Arsenal
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1
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2
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Tottenham Hotspur
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London Lge
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01.12. 02
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Tottenham Hotspur
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1
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0
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Woolwich Arsenal
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London Lge
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01.09. 03
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Tottenham Hotspur
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0
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1
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Woolwich Arsenal
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London Lge
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14.11. 03
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Woolwich Arsenal
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1
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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London Lge
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*Abandoned after 75 minutes due to persistent bad language.
During this period there were also meetings in the London Charity Cup:
23.04.02
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Woolwich Arsenal
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0
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0
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Tottenham Hotspur
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(SF)
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29.04.02
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Tottenham Hotspur
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2
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1
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Woolwich Arsenal
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(SF r)
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10.10.04
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Woolwich Arsenal
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1
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3
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Tottenham Hotspur
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(SF)
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09.04.06
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Tottenham Hotspur
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0
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0
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Woolwich Arsenal
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(SF r)
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28.04.06
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Woolwich Arsenal
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5
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0
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Tottenham Hotspur
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01.11.09
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Tottenham Hotspur
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3
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0
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Woolwich Arsenal
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*
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*London Professional Footballers Charity Fund
William Buckenham is listed as Woolwich Arsenal's centre forward in the programme, however Gordon Hoare played in what was his last appearance for the club. He made his debut for Glossop the following Saturday .
In a First Division match played at Arsenal's Manor Ground a crowd of 25,000 witnessed a 1-0 win for the home side, Walter Lawrence the scorer.
Here are the line-ups:
Woolwich Arsenal: Hugh McDonald, Duncan McDonald, Joe Shaw, Andy Ducat, Percy Sands, Roddy MacEachrane, David Greenaway, Robert Stevens, Gordon Hoare, Walter Lawrence, David Neave.
Tottenham Hotspur: John 'Tiny' Joyce, Fred Wilkes, William Harris, Frank Bentley, Danny Steel Jabez Darnell, Jack Curtis, Billy Minter, Ivor Brown, Bobby Steel, Bert Middlemiss.
04.12.09
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Woolwich Arsenal
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1
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0
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Tottenham Hotspur
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16.04. 10
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Tottenham Hotspur
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1
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1
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Woolwich Arsenal
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03.12.10
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Tottenham Hotspur
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3
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1
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Woolwich Arsenal
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08.04.11
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Woolwich Arsenal
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2
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0
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Tottenham Hotspur
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25.12.11
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Tottenham Hotspur
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5
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0
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Woolwich Arsenal
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26.12.11
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Woolwich Arsenal
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3
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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14.12.12
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Woolwich Arsenal
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0
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3
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Tottenham Hotspur
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19.04.13
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Tottenham Hotspur
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1
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1
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Woolwich Arsenal
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15.01.21
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Tottenham Hotspur
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2
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1
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Arsenal
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22.01.21
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Arsenal
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3
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2
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Tottenham Hotspur
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15.04.22
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Tottenham Hotspur
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2
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0
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Arsenal
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22.04.22
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Arsenal
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1
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0
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Tottenham Hotspur
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23.09.22
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Tottenham Hotspur
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1
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2
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Arsenal
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30.09.22
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Arsenal
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0
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2
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Tottenham Hotspur
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17.11.23
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Arsenal
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1
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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24.11.23
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Tottenham Hotspur
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3
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0
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Arsenal
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25.10.24
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Arsenal
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1
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0
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Tottenham Hotspur
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28.02.25
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Tottenham Hotspur
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2
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0
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Arsenal
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29.08.25
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Arsenal
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0
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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02.01.26
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Tottenham Hotspur
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1
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1
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Arsenal
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18.12.26
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Arsenal
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2
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4
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Tottenham Hotspur
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07.05.27
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Tottenham Hotspur
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0
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4
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Arsenal
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02.01.28
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Arsenal
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1
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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07.04.28
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Tottenham Hotspur
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2
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0
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Arsenal
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16.09.33
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Tottenham Hotspur
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1
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1
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Arsenal
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31.01.34
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Arsenal
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1
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3
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Tottenham Hotspur
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20.10.34
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Arsenal
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5
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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06.03.35
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Tottenham Hotspur
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0
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6
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Arsenal
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Venues- Tottenham – White Hart Lane
Arsenal- Manor Ground Plumsted (up until 1921), Highbury thereafter.
Wins
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Goals
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Arsenal
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10
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33
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Tottenham Hotspur
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12
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43
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Draws
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6
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(Woolwich) Arsenal
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Tottenham Hotspur
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Season
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League
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FA Cup
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League
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FA Cup
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1908-09
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Div 1. 6th
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R2
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Div 2. 2nd P
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R3
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1909–10
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Div 1. 18th
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R2
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Div 1. 15th
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R3
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1910–11
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Div 1. 10th
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R2
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Div 1. 15th
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R2
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1911–12
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Div 1. 10th
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R1
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Div 1. 12th
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R1
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1912–13
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Div 1. 20th R
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R2
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Div 1. 17th
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R2
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1913–14
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Div 2. 3rd
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R1
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Div 1. 17th
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R2
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1914–15
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Div 2. 5th
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R2
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Div 1. 20th R
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R2
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1919–20
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Div 1. 10th
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R2
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Div 2. 1st P
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R4
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1920–21
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Div 1. 9th
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R1
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Div 1. 6th
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Winners
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1921–22
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Div 1. 7th
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QF
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Div 1.2nd
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SF
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1922–23
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Div 1. 11th
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R1
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Div 1. 12th
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R4
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1923–24
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Div 1. 19th
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R2
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Div 1. 15th
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R1
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1924–25
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Div 1. 20th
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R1
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Div 1. 12th
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R3
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1925–26
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Div 1. 2nd
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QF
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Div 1. 15th
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R2
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1926–27
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Div 1. 11th
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Runners Up
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Div 1. 13th
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R3
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1927–28
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Div 1. 10th
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SF
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Div 1. 21st R
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R6
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1928–29
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Div 1. 9th
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QF
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Div 2. 10th
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R3
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1929–30
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Div 1. 14th
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Winners
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Div 2. 12th
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R3
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1930–31
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Div 1. 1st
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R4
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Div 2. 3rd
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R4
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1931–32
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Div 1. 2nd
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Runners Up
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Div 2. 8th
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R3
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1932–33
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Div 1. 1st
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R3
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Div 2. 2nd P
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R4
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1933–34
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Div 1. 1st
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QF
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Div 1. 3rd
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R5
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1934–35
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Div 1. 1st
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QF
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Div 1. 22nd R
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R5
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1935–36
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Div 1. 6th
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Winners
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Div 2. 5th
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QF
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1936–37
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Div 1. 3rd
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QF
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Div 2. 10th
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QF
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During their time in the Football League Arsenal and Tottenham continued to play each other in other competitions and charity events:
29.04.12
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Woolwich Arsenal
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3
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0
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Tottenham Hotspur
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Daily Telegraph Titanic Fund (Park Royal)
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10.11.13
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Tottenham Hotspur
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2
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1
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Woolwich Arsenal
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London FA Charity Cup SF (Stamford Bridge)
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22.08.14
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Tottenham Hotspur
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1
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5
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The Arsenal
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War Relief Fund
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04.09.15
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The Arsenal
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2
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0
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Tottenham Hotspur
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London Combination
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13.11.15
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Tottenham Hotspur
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3
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3
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The Arsenal
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04.03.16
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Tottenham Hotspur
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3
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0
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The Arsenal
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08.04.16
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Tottenham Hotspur
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3
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2
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The Arsenal
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09.09.16
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The Arsenal
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1
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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02.12.16
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Tottenham Hotspur
(Highbury)
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4
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1
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The Arsenal
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06.04.17
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Tottenham Hotspur (Homerton)
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0
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0
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The Arsenal
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09.04.17
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The Arsenal
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2
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3
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Tottenham Hotspur
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22.09.17
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Tottenham Hotspur
(Highbury)
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1
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2
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The Arsenal
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17.11.17
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The Arsenal
(Homerton)
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0
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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12.01.18
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Tottenham Hotspur
(Highbury)
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4
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1
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The Arsenal
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09.03.18
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The Arsenal
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4
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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12.10.18
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The Arsenal
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3
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0
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Tottenham Hotspur
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07.12.18
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Tottenham Hotspur
(Highbury)
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1
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0
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The Arsenal
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01.02.19
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The Arsenal
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2
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3
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Tottenham Hotspur
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29.03.19
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Tottenham Hotspur
(Highbury)
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0
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1
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The Arsenal
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29.09.19
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Arsenal
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0
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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London Professional Footballers Charity Fund
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25.10.20
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Tottenham Hotspur
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2
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0
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Arsenal
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01.11.20
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Tottenham Hotspur
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2
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1
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Arsenal
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London Charity Cup
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14.11.21
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Arsenal
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0
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0
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Tottenham Hotspur
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London Charity Cup SF (Stamford Bridge)
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21.11. 21
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Arsenal
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2
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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London Charity Cup (r) (Homerton)
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23.10. 22
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Tottenham Hotspur
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2
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3
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Arsenal
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London Charity Cup
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04.05. 31
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Arsenal
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2
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1
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Tottenham Hotspur
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London FA Charity Cup Final (Stamford Bridge)
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