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Showing posts with label Fluminense. Show all posts

12.1.15

Marcos Carneiro de Mendonça

Marcos Carneiro de Mendonça was Brazil's first goalkeeper.
Marcos had featured in 3 games during the pre Seleção era, playing against Argentina (1912), Portugal (1913) and Corinthians (England) 1913. He also appeared in the match with Exeter City in 1914. At the time he was playing for América, winning the Campeonato Carioca in 1913. His first club had been the splendidly named Haddock Lobo.




When Brazil played their first official international (versus Argentina, 20.09.14) the elegant Marcos was again the goalkeeper of choice. By this time he had joined Fluminense. He played in 10 of Brazil's first 24 official matches (and another 5 unofficial games) retiring at the conclusion of the 1922 South American Championship. 


Marcos was a 4 time Campeonato Carioca winner and won the South American Championship with Brazil in 1919 and 1922.
Outside football he was an eminent historian specialising in Brazil in the 18th century, publishing works right up until his death, aged 93, in 1988. 



4.12.13

Medgyessy Jenő


The Danubian influence on the football of South America predates Dori Kruschner (Dori Kürschner) and his work in Brazil. It also predates the Ferencvaros tour that allegedly influenced the style of Argentine football. 
Eugênio Medgyessy arrived in Brazil in 1926 and managed Botafogo, where in true Brazilian style he picked up a nickname-MarinetiMedgyessy later managed  Fluminense (1927-28) and  São Paulo (1932-33) before moving  to Argentina where he had spells with Racing (Club de Avellaneda), San Lorenzo and River Plate. 
As Medgyessy Jenő he had played for Ferencvaros from 1907-1919, making 80 first team appearances. Medgyessy was a League championship winner with Fradi on 4 occasions (1909-10, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1912-13) and a Cup winner in 1913. 
Despite these achievements his personal career was described as unspectacular. He received injuries whilst fighting for the central powers in 1918. Whilst in South America Medgyessy was instrumental in organizing Ferencvarosi's tour of 1929. 


13.4.13

Taça dos Campeões Estaduais Rio-São Paulo

Brazilian championships were run by city or state. It was not possible to have a national championship. However, in 1910 a competition was introduced in which the reigning champions of Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo played each other for a trophy. The 1910 fixture is seen as a forerunner of the later matches, and Botafogo's victory is generally not considered 'official'. In 1911 the  Taça Salutaris was insituted. During the competition's history a succession of trophies were contested.

Taça Salutaris 1911-16
Taça Ioduran 1917-19
Torneio dos Campeões 1920-31
Torneio Rio-São Paulo 1933-

The matches tended to take place in the following season (so that, for example, the 1910 championship was decided in 1911. 1937 was an exception to this rule).



Rio

São Paulo
Venue
1910
Botafogo
7
2
Palmeiras
Velódromo Paulistano(São Paulo)
1910

Botafogo
2
4
Palmeiras
Rua Voluntários da Pátria (Rio)
6
1
Rua Voluntários da Pátria (Rio)
0
2
Parque Antarctica (SP)
1912

Botafogo
0
3
SC Americano
Campo Público de São Cristóvão (Rio)
1913

América
2
3
Paulistano
Velódromo Paulistano
-
-
Second leg not played
1914

Flamengo
0
1
AA São Bento
Velódromo Paulistano  (São Paulo)
1916

América
Walk over
-
-
Paulistano

Campos Salles (Rio)
1917

Fluminense
2
3
Paulistano
General Severiano (Rio)
1918

Fluminense
Walk over
-
-
Paulistano
Velódromo Paulistano (SP)
1919

Fluminense
1
4
Paulistano
Laranjeiras (Rio)
1922

América
0
2
Corinthians
N.K (SP)
No decider played
4
2
Campos Salles (Rio)
1923

Vasco da Gama
0
2
Palestra Italia
N.K (SP)
1
1
N.K (Rio)
1926

São Cristóvão
0
2
Palestra Italia
Palestra Italia (SP)
Aggregate win
3
2
Laranjeiras (Rio)
1928

América
2
2
Corinthians
N.K (SP)
-
-
Second leg not played
1929
Vasco da Gama
2

4

Corinthians
Parque São Jorge(SP)

2
3
São Januário (Rio)
1930


Botafogo
0
2
Corinthians
Floresta (SP)
7
1
General Severiano (Rio)
1931

América
1
3
São Paulo
Floresta (SP)
1934

Vasco da Gama
1
1
Palestra Italia
N.K
Shared
1935

Botafogo
9
2
Santos
General Severiano (Rio)
Best of 3 decided on goal difference
1
2
Vila Belmiro (Santos)
2
2
Vila Belmiro (Santos)
1937
Vasco da Gama
0
0
Palestra Italia
Pacaembu (SP)
3
1
São Januário (Rio)



Rio de Janeiro
5
São Paulo
10
Shared
1
Not completed
2

Palmeiras 1910

Paulistano 1917

Botafogo 1930

Vasco da Gama 1934

30.1.13

Fla–Flu


Fashionable spectators in 1916
In recognition of their intense rivalry yet common origins the sage and writer Nelson Rodrigues (a devoted Fluminense fan)  described the great Rio rivals as The Brothers Karamazov of Brazilian football. 
Fluminense was founded by Oscar Cox in 1902. 
Alberto Borgerth was the son of a high ranking lawyer who joined Fluminense as a 15 year old. He also enjoyed the other elite sporting pastime of Rio at the time, rowing. He did his rowing with Clube de Regatas do Flamengo (founded in 1885).
In 1911 a group of Fluminense players left their club following a dispute with the club directors. Dure to Borgerth's connections with Clube de Regatas do Flamengo the footballers approached this club and proposed that they be accommodated as a football section. The football section of Flamengo was officially created on December 24th 1911.
The catchy name for the derby, Fla -Flu, was coined by journalist Mario Filho ( a Flamengo fan, but Nelson Rodrigues' brother) in 1933.

Flamengo 1912, Borgerth seated far right.


Fluminense 1912

Date




Stadium


07.07.12
Fluminense 
3
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


27.10.12
Flamengo 
4
0
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


03.08.13
Flamengo 
6
3
Fluminense
G. Severiano


09.11.13
Fluminense
0
3
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


11.06.14
Fluminense 
0
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


26.07.14   
Fluminense
2
3
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


15.11.14 
Flamengo
2
1
Fluminense
G. Severiano


09.05.15
Fluminense
0
5
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


22.08.15
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense
G.Severiano


13.05.16
Flamengo
4
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


30.07.16
Flamengo
2
2
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


15.08.16
Fluminense
0
0
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


08.12.16
Fluminense
3
1
Flamengo
G. Severiano


27.05.17 
Fluminense
2
0
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


15.11.17
Flamengo
3
3
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


23.12.17    
Flamengo
2
2
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


23.06.18  
Flamengo
3
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


06.10.18 
Fluminense
2
Flamengo 
G.Severiano


24.08.19  
Flamengo
3
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


21.12.19 
Fluminense
0
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


23.05.20     
Flamengo
2
1
Fluminense
R.Paysandu


19.12.20   
Fluminense
2
2
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


29.05.21 
Fluminense
4
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


07.08.21  
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense 
R. Paysandu


13.05.22    
Flamengo
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


25.06.22   
Fluminense
1
Flamengo
G. Severiano


13.05.23 
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


14.07.23    
Fluminense
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


15.06.24    
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


20.09.24   
Fluminense
2
4
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


14.06.25   
Fluminense
3
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


08.11.25    
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense 
R. Paysandu


20.06.26    
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


19.09.26      
Fluminense
0
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


12.06.27   
Fluminense
0
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


21.08.27     
Flamengo
1
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


27.05.28    
Flamengo
1
4
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


23.09.28    
Fluminense
2
3
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


09.06.29    
Fluminense
1
0
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


06.10.29    
Flamengo
0
1
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


01.06.30     
Flamengo
0
1
Fluminense
R.Paysandu


01.08.30    
Fluminense
2
4
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


23.11.30    
Fluminense
2
0
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


27.09.31  
Fluminense
2
1
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


20.12.31   
Flamengo
1
0
Fluminense
R. Paysandu


03.07.32   
Flamengo
0
Fluminense
R.Paysandu


02.10.32   
Fluminense
1
1
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


01.06.33     
Fluminense
1
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


10.06.33    
Fluminense
1
3
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


17.09.33    
Fluminense
2
0
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


08.04.34    
Fluminense
1
3
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


10.06.34      
Flamengo
2
2
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


26.08.34  
Fluminense
2
0
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


23.09.34  
Fluminense
0
2
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


21.10.34     
Flamengo
2
1
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


10.02.35    
Flamengo
2
1
Fluminense
Campos Sales


23.06.35    
Flamengo
0
0
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


21.07.35   
Fluminense
2
2
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


01.09.35 
Flamengo
3
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


13.10.35   
Flamengo
2
Fluminense
Campos Sales


15.11.35  
Fluminense
2
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


21.05.36 
Fluminense
2
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


16.08.36    
Fluminense
2
2
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


13.09.36  
Fluminense
1
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


20.09.36   
Fluminense
1
Flamengo
Laranjeiras


11.10.36   
Flamengo
2
0
Fluminense
Laranjeiras


28.10.36  
Fluminense
2
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


22.11.36 
Fluminense
1
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


20.12.36  
Fluminense
2
2
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


23.12.36
Fluminense
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


27.12.36
Fluminense
1
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


27.06.37    
Fluminense
4
3
Flamengo 
Laranjeiras


27.07.37    
Fluminense
4
1
Flamengo
Laranjeiras



73 matches:
Flamengo – W 25 goals 122
Fluminense W 23 goals 115
25 draws.

 Venues- 
Laranjeiras = Estádio Manoel Schwartz popularly known as Estádio das Laranjeiras- home of Fluminense since 1914.
R. Paysandu = Rua Paysandu home of Flamengo from 1915 to 1932.
G. Severiano = Estádio General Severiano- home of Botafogo.
Campos Sales Estádio da Rua Campos Sales -  home of America Football Club.

During this period the two sides also met four times in the Torneio Início do Rio de Janeiro. I have not included these games as they were not  played over 90 minutes.


Please remember- we only cover the period up to the northern hemisphere's summer of 1937.