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30.4.13

St Mirren


Andy Mitchell's excellent blog on Scottish sporting history is well worth a visit.
I've taken the liberty to link to a 1924 history of St Mirren that he has digitalised. Here it is:
http://www.scottishsporthistory.com/uploads/3/3/6/0/3360867/st_mirren_history_1924.pdf

28.4.13

The Scout- Football Tips...


Lord Baden-Powell , the founder of the Boy Scouts, was a footballer in his youth. He was in the Charterhouse School football XI in 1876, a good goal-keeper, always keeping very cool according to The Carthusian of April of that year. He would have been 19 years old at the time. It is likely that he would have played with some of the Old Carthusians team that won the FA Cup in 1881.
In later life Lord Baden-Powell advocated the positive aspects of playing football whilst also emphasizing his opinion that, as a spectator sport, it was both morally and physically corrupting:
Football is a grand game for developing a lad physically and also morally, for he learns to play with good temper and unselfishness, to play in his place, and to play the game, and these are the best of training for any game of life.but it is a vicious game when it draws crowds of lads away from playing the game themselves to be merely onlookers at a few paid players.
He also wrote of the unwholesome and hysterical natures of football crowds, painting a most unflattering picture of  young British working class males.

 By the 1920's, however, the Scout magazine, which carried Baden- Powell's endorsement on the cover, was offering its young readers football tips from some of the professional stars of the day.
The players mentioned on the cover of the issue shown above are:

Ted Hufton- goalkeeper for West Ham United.

Charlie Buchan- the legendary Sunderland and Arsenal inside forward.


Sam  Chedgzoy- Everton winger.

Jackie Carr- Middlesbrough centre half.

All four men were capped by England during the 1920s. 

27.4.13

North London Derby





Arsenal (in their previous guises as Royal Arsenal and Woolwich Arsenal) did not become a north London team until they moved to Highbury in 1913. Prior to this they were based in Plumstead.
The first meeting of the 2 clubs took place in November 1887. A friendly, played at Tottenham Marshes , it was abandoned after 75 minutes due to failing light.

19.11. 87
Tottenham Hotspur
2
1
Royal Arsenal


Arsenal and Tottenham's development took differing courses. Arsenal joined the Football League in 1893 (the first southern club to do so), whilst Tottenham remained in the Southern League from 1896- 1908.
In the meantime the 2 clubs met each other in the United League, The Southern League and the London League:




comp
09.11. 96
Woolwich Arsenal
2
1
Tottenham Hotspur
United Lge
25.02. 97
Tottenham Hotspur
2
2
Woolwich Arsenal
United Lge
25.12. 97
Woolwich Arsenal
2
3
Tottenham Hotspur
United Lge
08.04.98
Tottenham Hotspur
0
0
Woolwich Arsenal
United Lge
11.03. 99
Woolwich Arsenal
2
1
Tottenham Hotspur
United Lge
29.04. 99
Tottenham Hotspur
3
2
Woolwich Arsenal
United Lge
17.04. 00
Tottenham Hotspur
3
2
Woolwich Arsenal
Southern Lge
24.04. 00
Woolwich Arsenal
2
1
Tottenham Hotspur
Southern Lge *
16.09. 01
Woolwich Arsenal
0
2
Tottenham Hotspur
London Lge
04.11. 01
Tottenham Hotspur
5
0
Woolwich Arsenal
London Lge
17.11. 02
Woolwich Arsenal
1
2
Tottenham Hotspur
London Lge
01.12. 02
Tottenham Hotspur
1
0
Woolwich Arsenal
London Lge
01.09. 03
Tottenham Hotspur
0
1
Woolwich Arsenal
London Lge
14.11. 03
Woolwich Arsenal
1
1
Tottenham Hotspur
London Lge


*Abandoned after 75 minutes due to persistent bad language. 

 During this period there were also meetings in the London Charity Cup:

23.04.02
Woolwich Arsenal
0
0
Tottenham Hotspur
(SF)
29.04.02
Tottenham Hotspur
2
1
Woolwich Arsenal
(SF r)
10.10.04
Woolwich Arsenal
1
3
Tottenham Hotspur
(SF)
09.04.06
Tottenham Hotspur
0
0
Woolwich Arsenal
(SF r)
28.04.06
Woolwich Arsenal
5
0
Tottenham Hotspur

01.11.09
Tottenham Hotspur
3
0
Woolwich Arsenal
*

*London Professional Footballers Charity Fund

William Buckenham is listed as  Woolwich Arsenal's centre forward in the programme, however Gordon Hoare played in what was his last appearance for the club. He made his debut for Glossop the following Saturday .

Tottenham Hotspur and Woolwich Arsenal first met in the Football League on 04.12.1909.
In a First Division match played at Arsenal's Manor Ground a crowd of 25,000 witnessed a 1-0 win for the home side, Walter Lawrence the scorer.
Here are the line-ups:      
Woolwich Arsenal: Hugh McDonald, Duncan McDonald, Joe Shaw, Andy Ducat,  Percy Sands, Roddy MacEachrane, David Greenaway, Robert Stevens, Gordon Hoare, Walter Lawrence, David Neave.

 Tottenham Hotspur: John 'Tiny' Joyce, Fred Wilkes, William Harris, Frank Bentley, Danny Steel         Jabez Darnell,  Jack Curtis, Billy Minter, Ivor Brown,  Bobby Steel, Bert Middlemiss.
              






04.12.09
Woolwich Arsenal
1
0
Tottenham Hotspur


16.04. 10
Tottenham Hotspur
1
1
Woolwich Arsenal


03.12.10
Tottenham Hotspur
3
1
Woolwich Arsenal


08.04.11
Woolwich Arsenal           
2
0
Tottenham Hotspur


25.12.11
Tottenham Hotspur
5
0
Woolwich Arsenal


26.12.11
Woolwich Arsenal
3
1
Tottenham Hotspur


14.12.12
Woolwich Arsenal           
0
3
Tottenham Hotspur


19.04.13
Tottenham Hotspur
1
1
Woolwich Arsenal


15.01.21
Tottenham Hotspur
2
1
Arsenal


22.01.21
Arsenal                                
3
2
Tottenham Hotspur


15.04.22
Tottenham Hotspur
2
0
Arsenal


22.04.22
Arsenal
1
0
Tottenham Hotspur


23.09.22
Tottenham Hotspur
1
2
Arsenal


30.09.22
Arsenal
0
2
Tottenham Hotspur


17.11.23
Arsenal                                
1
1
Tottenham Hotspur


24.11.23
Tottenham Hotspur
3
0
Arsenal


25.10.24
Arsenal
1
0
Tottenham Hotspur


28.02.25
Tottenham Hotspur
2
0
Arsenal


29.08.25
Arsenal
0
1
Tottenham Hotspur


02.01.26
Tottenham Hotspur
1
1
Arsenal


18.12.26
Arsenal
2
4
Tottenham Hotspur


07.05.27
Tottenham Hotspur
0
4
Arsenal


02.01.28
Arsenal
1
1
Tottenham Hotspur


07.04.28
Tottenham Hotspur
2
0
Arsenal


16.09.33
Tottenham Hotspur
1
1
Arsenal                


31.01.34
Arsenal
1
3
Tottenham Hotspur


20.10.34
Arsenal
5
1
Tottenham Hotspur


06.03.35
Tottenham Hotspur
0
6
Arsenal



Venues- Tottenham – White Hart Lane
Arsenal- Manor Ground Plumsted (up until 1921), Highbury thereafter.
Wins
Goals
Arsenal
10
33
Tottenham Hotspur
12
43
Draws
6




(Woolwich) Arsenal
Tottenham Hotspur

Season
League
FA Cup
League
FA Cup

1908-09
Div 1. 6th
R2
Div 2. 2nd P
R3

1909–10
Div 1. 18th
R2
Div 1. 15th
R3

1910–11
Div 1. 10th
R2
Div 1. 15th
R2

1911–12
Div 1. 10th
R1
Div 1. 12th
R1

1912–13
Div 1. 20th R
R2
Div 1. 17th
R2

1913–14
Div 2. 3rd
R1
Div 1. 17th
R2

1914–15
Div 2. 5th
R2
Div 1. 20th R
R2







1919–20
Div 1. 10th
R2
Div 2. 1st P
R4

1920–21
Div 1. 9th
R1
Div 1. 6th
Winners

1921–22
Div 1. 7th
QF
Div 1.2nd
SF

1922–23
Div 1. 11th
R1
Div 1. 12th
R4

1923–24
Div 1. 19th
R2
Div 1. 15th
R1

1924–25
Div 1. 20th
R1
Div 1. 12th
R3

1925–26
Div 1. 2nd
QF
Div 1. 15th
R2

1926–27
Div 1. 11th
Runners Up
Div 1. 13th
R3

1927–28
Div 1. 10th
SF
Div 1. 21st R
R6

1928–29
Div 1. 9th
QF
Div 2. 10th
R3

1929–30
Div 1. 14th
Winners
Div 2. 12th
R3

1930–31
Div 1. 1st
R4
Div 2. 3rd
R4

1931–32
Div 1. 2nd
Runners Up
Div 2. 8th
R3

1932–33
Div 1. 1st
R3
Div 2. 2nd P
R4

1933–34
Div 1. 1st
QF
Div 1. 3rd
R5

1934–35
Div 1. 1st
QF
Div 1. 22nd R
R5

1935–36
Div 1. 6th
Winners
Div 2. 5th
QF

1936–37
Div 1. 3rd
QF
Div 2. 10th
QF




During their time in the Football League Arsenal and Tottenham continued to play each other in other competitions and charity events:


29.04.12
Woolwich Arsenal
3
0
Tottenham Hotspur
Daily Telegraph Titanic Fund (Park Royal)
10.11.13
Tottenham Hotspur
2
1
Woolwich Arsenal
London FA Charity Cup SF (Stamford Bridge)
22.08.14
Tottenham Hotspur
1
5
The Arsenal
War Relief Fund

04.09.15
The Arsenal
2
0
Tottenham Hotspur
London Combination
13.11.15
Tottenham Hotspur
3
3
The Arsenal
04.03.16
Tottenham Hotspur
3
0
The Arsenal
08.04.16
Tottenham Hotspur
3
2
The Arsenal
09.09.16
The Arsenal
1
1
Tottenham Hotspur
02.12.16
Tottenham Hotspur
(Highbury)
4
1
The Arsenal
06.04.17
Tottenham Hotspur (Homerton)
0
0
The Arsenal
09.04.17
The Arsenal
2
3
Tottenham Hotspur
22.09.17
Tottenham Hotspur
(Highbury)
1
2
The Arsenal
17.11.17
The Arsenal
(Homerton)
0
1
Tottenham Hotspur
12.01.18
Tottenham Hotspur
(Highbury)
4
1
The Arsenal
09.03.18
The Arsenal
4
1
Tottenham Hotspur
12.10.18
The Arsenal
3
0
Tottenham Hotspur
07.12.18
Tottenham Hotspur
(Highbury)
1
0
The Arsenal
01.02.19
The Arsenal
2
3
Tottenham Hotspur
29.03.19
Tottenham Hotspur
(Highbury)
0
1
The Arsenal
29.09.19
Arsenal
0
1
Tottenham Hotspur
London Professional Footballers Charity Fund
25.10.20
Tottenham Hotspur
2
0
Arsenal
01.11.20
Tottenham Hotspur
2
1
Arsenal
London Charity Cup

14.11.21
Arsenal
0
0
Tottenham Hotspur
London Charity Cup SF (Stamford Bridge)
21.11. 21
Arsenal
2
1
Tottenham Hotspur
London Charity Cup (r) (Homerton)
23.10. 22
Tottenham Hotspur
2
3
Arsenal
London Charity Cup

04.05. 31
Arsenal
2
1
Tottenham Hotspur
London FA Charity Cup Final (Stamford Bridge)